May 1st New bag Limit?

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May 1st New bag Limit?

Post by 9ftyakjax » Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:54 pm

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Re: May 1st New bag Limit?

Post by islandspeed2001 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:01 pm

Think those in Northwest will be pleased to see this. They have been saying for some time that the numbers of reds are reduced and few of the larger reds.
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Re: May 1st New bag Limit?

Post by tadpole » Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:25 pm

Interesting that it is legal to take red drum in a cast net, but not with multiple hooks (double or treble, for example) in natural bait. Treble hooks on artificials is okay though.

I'm sure there was a reason for all that, at some point.....
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Re: May 1st New bag Limit?

Post by DaveInYak » Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:14 am

tadpole wrote:Interesting that it is legal to take red drum in a cast net, but not with multiple hooks (double or treble, for example) in natural bait. Treble hooks on artificials is okay though.

I'm sure there was a reason for all that, at some point.....
Probably due to people using trebles for snatch hooks on them in the shallows.

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Re: May 1st New bag Limit?

Post by Chris » Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:00 am

Treble hook rule probably meant to reduce fatal hook swallows on under /over fish.

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Re: May 1st New bag Limit?

Post by JaxBeachBrian » Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:22 am

I thought the single hook rule referred to the rig rather than the hook itself. Growing up in SC I used to fish bait on a double drop rig that had a weight at the bottom and two leaders coming off the rig at different heights, each with it's own baited hook. So the double drop rig wouldn't be legal, but two treble hooks on a topwater plug is fine because it's a single bait.

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Re: May 1st New bag Limit?

Post by tadpole » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:34 pm

Here's the rule:

Hook-and-line gear
Hook-and-line anglers must tend their gear at all times to prevent people, marine life and shore life from becoming entangled in the line or injured by the hook. Also, it is against the law to intentionally discard any monofilament netting or line into or onto state waters. Monofilament line can entangle birds, marine mammals, marine turtles and fish, often injuring or killing them. Trot lines with 10 or fewer hooks are considered hook-and-line gear and must be tended at all times while deployed. Species identified with “T” on Reef Fish, Pelagics, Coastal Species, Crustaceans & Mollusks and Sharks cannot be harvested with multi-hooks (single hook with two or more points) in conjunction with natural baits.


And when you look at "Coastal Species" the "T" appears by African Pompano, Sheepshead, Snook, Spotted Seatrout, Permit, Tarpon, Black Drum, Flounder, Florida Pompano, and Redfish.

I interpret this to mean that a double-drop rig is acceptable with single-point hooks.

I'll buy the idea of limiting damage to released fish.

Years ago I used to fish with John Dyrssen for trout. His favorite rig was a typical slip float rig but with a treble hook instead of a Kahle hook. I don't remember missing any fish - it was kind of automatic. And that's what a charter captain wants.
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Re: May 1st New bag Limit?

Post by saltcoastkayak » Sun May 22, 2016 9:31 am

islandspeed2001 wrote:Think those in Northwest will be pleased to see this. They have been saying for some time that the numbers of reds are reduced and few of the larger reds.
The NW goes from Escambia County to Pasco County. FWC's action was prompted by anecdotal reports of reduced reds, primarily from guides, specifically in the Panhandle area Apalachicola to Panama City.

Thus far FWC has not offered to the public a single shred of scientific evidence that reds are in decline in the Panhandle area, or any other parts of the NW Zone for that matter.

In recent years this Panhandle area has had several conditions that may be contributing to a possible decline of reds: Horizon BP oil catastrophe, collapse of the oyster fishery in Apalachicola Bay and most recently, red tide in late 2015.

Some in the Panhandle area are pleased to see the reduced limit while others in the Panhandle area are not.

In the more southern area of the NW, i.e., Homosassa, Crystal River, Yankeetown, Cedar Key, Suwannee, Steinhatchee and Keaton Beach under-slot, slot and over-slot reds have been plentiful since the limit was raised to 2. Many in the southern area of the NW are NOT pleased to see a reduced limit while some in the southern area are.

FWC briefly considered but rejected lowering the limit in the Panhandle area ONLY but opted instead to make the ENTIRE NW 1 red for "consistency and simplicity" thus now the entire west coast of Florida (NW and South zones) is at 1.

BEWARE NE ZONE! DON'T LET FWC "BLINDSIDE" NE ZONE ANGLERS WITH AN "EXECUTIVE ORDER" REDUCTION OF REDS AS FWC DID TO NW ZONE ANGLERS!

If its anecdotal reports and "consistency and simplicity" (rather than science) FWC manages by then the NE Zone may well be next for a reduction from 2 to 1. The 2015 stock assessment for the NE wasn't as good as it was for the NW but it was good enough to raise the limit to 2 for the NE. However, most recently the feds are saying reds in the southern area of the Atlantic are in decline and may begin pressuring S. Carolina, Georgia and Florida (northeast and central east coast) to lower red limits.

FWC will be meeting in June - in Apalachicola - and in September - in Jacksonville.

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