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common courtesy in the flooded grass

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:35 pm
by keastman
Just curious how those who fish it handle other fisherman in the flood grass. I realize that no one "owns" the area they are fishing and that there are only so many areas to fish. I'm more interested in common courtesy to fellow sportsman. How much distance do you give another person fishing if you are entering a flat they are on? I know fishing the floods has been increasing in popularity and there are many new comers are exploring the sport that haven't developed a lot of techniques to stalk reds or realize how sensitive they are to up close fishing pressure. When I'm heading out by kayak or skiff I will usually try to stay away from any areas that are walkable from land if there is anyone fishing them that has walked in or at least give them a very wide berth. I figure that I have access to a lot more areas that they can not reach. My exception is if it is a vast flat with plenty or room for others that they can't possible cover . While approaching an area by vessel again I try to stay off the smaller flooded areas if someone is there already. I also try to approach areas with other people in them in a manner that will not potentially scare off fish in the direction the other person is surveying and I try to be mindful of wind direction. For example if the wind is heavy enough that you can only cast in one direction (down wind) and someone is on the flat, I would not approach that flat from the down wind side and work it in a direction that I didn't have a chance of casting into due to wind, scaring off fish I couldn't cast to yet the other fisherman could. Some flooded areas are so small that the presence of two people working them will pretty much insure that neither will land a fish and we need to be aware of that.

Hopefully anyone reading this whether a novice or old salt will give some thought as to how they approach floodgrass fishing and courtesy they extend to fellow fishermen.

Re: common courtesy in the flooded grass

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:10 pm
by Chris
I like your approach. I never get anywhere close to people if I'm fishing in the creeks. However, I often find that others don't share my philosophy. I must be some sort of prude....

Re: common courtesy in the flooded grass

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 2:56 pm
by islandspeed2001
Kevin, if I see your pole bend I am going to be on your ass :cheers:

Re: common courtesy in the flooded grass

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:28 pm
by shallowrunner123
A few weeks ago fishing guide pull his Carolina skiff next to me with two clients. I was wading he had a boat. I say all bets are off


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common courtesy in the flooded grass

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:52 pm
by erniemx5
Stay the hell away from a flat that is already occupied. There is a very well known local guide, used to run a red hewes redfisher who acted like just cos he had paying clients he could barge in whenever he felt like it. After the second experience with him, anytime he encroached on me, I'd just paddle though the middle of the flat and move on. I think he got the message. There are plenty of fish in the grass, it just takes time on the water to find them, and I never post about grass red locations...top secret stuff in my book


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Re: common courtesy in the flooded grass

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:04 pm
by MobChado
erniemx5 wrote:Stay the hell away from a flat that is already occupied. There is a very well known local guide, used to run a red hewes redfisher who acted like just cos he had paying clients he could barge in whenever he felt like it. After the second experience with him, anytime he encroached on me, I'd just paddle though the middle of the flat and move on. I think he got the message. There are plenty of fish in the grass, it just takes time on the water to find them, and I never post about grass red locations...top secret stuff in my book


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Agreed 100%

Re: common courtesy in the flooded grass

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:41 pm
by keastman
Jerry, I'd expect no less from you and I too would do the same with you! :D I brought this up because I was out last night and had some too close for comfort "encroachment" by other kaykers which kind of surprised me. I've had this happen many times with power boaters, first time with kayakers though. Fortunately I was able to slip away and motor off to a couple of top secret well know areas with some fish and far from kayak accessibility in the 15-20 knot winds we had at sunset. I've even had run and gun hunters come within 50 yds of me while on a grass flat with a lot of reds tailing and start shooting. Nothing really surprises me.

Re: common courtesy in the flooded grass

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:58 pm
by jptrout
Wasn't me Kevin! Although if I see you I know where the fish are! Is it getting crowded out there? Were they fly rodders?

Re: common courtesy in the flooded grass

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:29 pm
by yak2thefuture
I hate fishing in the same area with people that im not with or know.i definately dont like when they approach me with no concern and ask if im catchin anything haha.when i fish the flats during a flood tide the only thing i wanna see close to me is a redfish tail.i promise ill never run up on any of you fellas fishin, i wish everyone could think the same way we do

Re: common courtesy in the flooded grass

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:18 pm
by erniemx5
keastman wrote:I've even had run and gun hunters come within 50 yds of me while on a grass flat with a lot of reds tailing and start shooting. Nothing really surprises me.
Marsh hens or reds?


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Re: common courtesy in the flooded grass

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:13 pm
by keastman
Actually both, they shot at the hens, then had poles for reds, multitasking I guess. Not sure why anyone wants to eat those marsh hens that taste like liver.

Re: common courtesy in the flooded grass

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:08 am
by erniemx5
Just checked myfwc and rail season runs Sept 1 to Nov 9. They come by again, take a pic and call the law.


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Re: common courtesy in the flooded grass

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:21 pm
by Kudzu
I move on if I see someone else already there. Seems to be enough grass for everyone. I guess I've been lucky. The only ones pissing me off are the airboat guys.

Re: common courtesy in the flooded grass

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:02 pm
by dogyak
Kudzu wrote:I move on if I see someone else already there. Seems to be enough grass for everyone. I guess I've been lucky. The only ones pissing me off are the airboat guys.
Oh man , you aren't kidding about those airboats . About 3 years ago , almost had one run over me in the yak . Scared me really bad

Re: common courtesy in the flooded grass

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:57 pm
by pijije
keastman wrote:Not sure why anyone wants to eat those marsh hens that taste like liver.
Like ducks and sage grouse and sharptailed grouse and woodcock, marsh hen are mighty delicious when cooked properly. They're pretty dark meat and the best way to cook them is no more than medium rare. Marinated in Worchestershire sauce, garlic, melted butter, some white wine, and pepper for about 10 minutes and then grilled on a HOT grill, just a minute or so each side (for marsh hen since they're small breasts) they're quite delicious.

Overcook any of those birds above and you definitely get the liver taste.


As far as the flats question....the airboaters drive me nuts. They've been incredibly rude in the past. If there is someone on a flat though, I move on.....maybe to the flat across a big creek, but I won't encroach on the same flat someone is on.