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Re: Quick GA Trip

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:42 am
by shallowrunner123
There is an ongoing debate regarding stocked trout in general . Especially steelhead I. NW part of the country. Studies seem to suggest that their brains are smaller and quality of fish is inferior due to part of their life spent in the tanks. From my experience I say wild steel fights like a train.stoked ones ( clipped adipose fin) just kind of roll in place. Colors on wild trout are different for sure. Anyway it sounds like you had fun and I agree a good trout guide it's worth the money. Maybe we should set up trip with jp and compare notes on trout fishing :-)


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Re: Quick GA Trip

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:18 pm
by Kudzu
That sounds like plan! :cool:

Re: Quick GA Trip

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:12 am
by jptrout
With the number of fishermen these days, many of our favorite trout streams simply would not be without the support of hatcheries. Many states are in the fore front of of trout biology and the quality does seem to have improved greatly. I have visited the Raven Fork in Cherokee which is stocked with trout from the Reservation hatchery and they do a remarkable job. Once when I was there, I saw a fish rising and just making a tiny dimple in the surface film. I can't resist rising fish so I put on a #18 tan elk hair caddis and dropped it in front of the rise. Fly disappeared, I set the hook and this monster of a rainbow was 3 feet straight up! That fish was instantly all over the pool, into my backing twice and jumped 7 times. There was nothing wrong with that hatchery fish's genetics!

So I am not totally against pay to fish areas which manage the population on a daily basis. Since I am so poor, it bothers me that I will never get to fish some of the more legendary, now private, places out West either on foot or floating with a guide but at least they will be preserved!

Steelhead seem to be a special case regarding wild vs hatchery raised with a couple comprehensive articles recently.

Re: Quick GA Trip

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:28 pm
by shallowrunner123
I have seen videos of that Cherokee stream . Seems like is well managed. Is it worth taking a trip there?

Re: Quick GA Trip

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:40 pm
by jptrout
It probably is. For one thing, the fish are there for certain but it is not easy since the bug life is not over whelming on the stream. The fish know what some bugs are but a lot of it is egg flies, squiggly wiggly's, San Juan worms etc. The better stretches can also be crowded at certain times. The C&R stretch is 2.2 miles so it can be explored in a day or 2 and the fish seem to be pretty well distributed. You need a Tribal Pass @$10/day or $17 for 2-day, $27 for 3-day, $47 for 5-day. Also needed is a Catch-and-Release Special Use Permit for Trophy Waters — $25 for a 1-3 day permit, or $75 per year. So, for a shot at a big fish or 2, the cost is reasonable and there is a nice camp ground right at the head of the C&R stretch! (Cash only campground)

Re: Quick GA Trip

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:46 pm
by jptrout
Stumbled across an interesting John Gierach quote regarding pay to fish...

...if there were small, quiet, uncrowded steams around here with hook-jawed torpedoes in them instead of the usual 8 to 12 inchers, those are the ones I'd be fishing. But there aren't, unless you count the odd private club or pay-to-fish joint. Those can be okay now and then, but they're still not the same as the free public water that you sniff out on your own. I mean, buying good fishing isn't exactly like paying for sex, as some claim, but it's not entirely unlike it, either."

He did not expand on his views of the latter. ;)

Re: Quick GA Trip

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:45 am
by shallowrunner123
Haha good one


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